Comments on: Monay mo-nay! http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/ uncovering life's layers, exploring truth's terrain... Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:25:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Kristin http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-12657 Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:37:10 +0000 http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-12657 Hi Connie, I'm sorry I can't be of help with that quote! I wonder if Gail would be the person to ask? If you click over to her site, you could probably contact her there to ask. Best of luck! Kristin Hi Connie,

I’m sorry I can’t be of help with that quote! I wonder if Gail would be the person to ask? If you click over to her site, you could probably contact her there to ask. Best of luck!

Kristin

]]> by: Connie Young http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-12603 Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:41:08 +0000 http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-12603 Dear Kristin, I would like to use the quote, "We must learn to live simply so that others can simply live". To whom should I attribute it? Need to know as soon as possible for a printed program I am preparing. Thank you, Connie Young Fresno Dear Kristin,
I would like to use the quote, “We must learn to live simply so that others can simply live”. To whom should I attribute it? Need to know as soon as possible for a printed program I am preparing.
Thank you,
Connie Young
Fresno

]]> by: Kristin http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1570 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:12:51 +0000 http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1570 Sage, that's awesome! I'm going to practice that ritual now too. Jen, that's exactly the kind of thing I've been contemplating. What if no matter how much money beyond enough for the basics (yeah, "basics" are a hard thing to define...) my household ends up bringing in, we choose to live a notch or more below that amount materially? What would this free us to do?  I love what it sounds like this freed your family up to enjoy. Robin, this Josephine sounds like a truly amazing person. Yet another example of how wealth is not synonymous with greed or selfishness. Thanks for another great recommendation. I look forward to hearing whatever else you have to share on the topic. Sage, that’s awesome! I’m going to practice that ritual now too.

Jen, that’s exactly the kind of thing I’ve been contemplating. What if no matter how much money beyond enough for the basics (yeah, “basics” are a hard thing to define…) my household ends up bringing in, we choose to live a notch or more below that amount materially? What would this free us to do?  I love what it sounds like this freed your family up to enjoy.
Robin, this Josephine sounds like a truly amazing person. Yet another example of how wealth is not synonymous with greed or selfishness. Thanks for another great recommendation. I look forward to hearing whatever else you have to share on the topic.

]]> by: Robin M. http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1556 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:04:08 +0000 http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1556 In your oh-so-ample free time, I recommend that you read Life on Two Levels by Josephine Duveneck. In part, because she lived in Palo Alto. And also because she was a woman who came from great wealth - it's Josephine Whitney Duveneck - as in the Whitney Museum, etc. and she was at the forefront of most of the social justice movements in her lifetime in the Bay Area - racial integration especially. She was a moving force in the founding of the American Friends Service Committee on the West Coast, she worked for better relations with Native Americans, she championed progressive education and founded The Peninsula School, and her home was an early stop in the American Hostel movement and hosted the first integrated summer camp in the US, I think. Her home is now called Hidden Villa - still a hostel and environmental education place. Oh and she raised four kids. I'm not doing her justice here. But it's a good book about her day to day life and her religious seeking. More about my personal struggles with this issue soon. In your oh-so-ample free time, I recommend that you read Life on Two Levels by Josephine Duveneck. In part, because she lived in Palo Alto. And also because she was a woman who came from great wealth - it’s Josephine Whitney Duveneck - as in the Whitney Museum, etc. and she was at the forefront of most of the social justice movements in her lifetime in the Bay Area - racial integration especially. She was a moving force in the founding of the American Friends Service Committee on the West Coast, she worked for better relations with Native Americans, she championed progressive education and founded The Peninsula School, and her home was an early stop in the American Hostel movement and hosted the first integrated summer camp in the US, I think. Her home is now called Hidden Villa - still a hostel and environmental education place. Oh and she raised four kids. I’m not doing her justice here. But it’s a good book about her day to day life and her religious seeking.

More about my personal struggles with this issue soon.

]]> by: Jen Zug http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1554 Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:22:38 +0000 http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1554 I had great examples in my parents - when I was in junior high we sold our house and moved to a smaller one. I guess our house payments increased drastically, and my parents wanted more flexibility in their budget to travel and to enjoy life. I never had all the name brands my peers had, but we were surrounded by people all the time - throwing parties, eating out with friends, visiting our family at the lake. I have many memories of things we DID together, more than the things we HAD. I had great examples in my parents - when I was in junior high we sold our house and moved to a smaller one. I guess our house payments increased drastically, and my parents wanted more flexibility in their budget to travel and to enjoy life. I never had all the name brands my peers had, but we were surrounded by people all the time - throwing parties, eating out with friends, visiting our family at the lake. I have many memories of things we DID together, more than the things we HAD.

]]> by: Sage http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1552 Sat, 25 Nov 2006 23:30:00 +0000 http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1552 I feel like gratitude for what is is the most fertile ground for all of us to receive what we truly need. My ritual is to focus on appreciating, as much as possible, at all times, what I have. Any time I catch myself in a have-not or I-want thought pattern, I stop and say to myself, 'I'm wealthy! I'm wealthy! I'm wealthy!" I feel like gratitude for what is is the most fertile ground for all of us to receive what we truly need. My ritual is to focus on appreciating, as much as possible, at all times, what I have. Any time I catch myself in a have-not or I-want thought pattern, I stop and say to myself, ‘I’m wealthy! I’m wealthy! I’m wealthy!”

]]> by: Kristin http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1551 Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:17:18 +0000 http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1551 Heather, Gail, Rebecca--thank you for your words. Rebecca, yes, what you say makes all kinds of sense. I'm looking forward to writing another post on this topic soon, and talking more about the points you raise. Just got back last night from a Thanksgiving trip. An enjoyable and not-so-full-of-sleep couple days. This weary head is off for a nap while the little one sleeps... Much love to you all. Heather, Gail, Rebecca–thank you for your words. Rebecca, yes, what you say makes all kinds of sense. I’m looking forward to writing another post on this topic soon, and talking more about the points you raise. Just got back last night from a Thanksgiving trip. An enjoyable and not-so-full-of-sleep couple days. This weary head is off for a nap while the little one sleeps…

Much love to you all.

]]> by: Rebecca http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1549 Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:20:23 +0000 http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1549 What an interesting post. Just at a time when I have been particularly challenged to be embracing those 'that have'. This has been an interesting journey, considering most of those around me seem to harbour some kind of resentment or preconcieved ideas about the wealthy! (I am not implying that you do!) But in my heart I seem to understand that life is quite a levelling place, and we all have, and we all have not. Therefore do not need to be threatened by each other, but rather accepting. It seems to me that the wealthy do not all have wrong values, and those that embrace poverty do not either, and yet both have wrong ones. it is putting those two worlds together and loving the rich in the same way that one loves the poor. Plus embracing the good values that the wealthy have and embracing the good values that those who are poverty stricken have. I grew up where poverty sits - in Kenya and the Sudan and I live now in the west where it has it's corners but not like I knew in my foundational years I also have lived in my adult years in the company of the wealthy and they are sometimes as poor as the poor and the poor have been as rich as the rich..... does this make sense? it does to me...... I think that you should enjoy where you are at and let your values be shaped by both worlds....and that of your little child What an interesting post.
Just at a time when I have been particularly challenged to be embracing those ‘that have’.
This has been an interesting journey, considering most of those around me seem to harbour some kind of resentment or preconcieved ideas about the wealthy! (I am not implying that you do!)
But in my heart I seem to understand that life is quite a levelling place, and we all have, and we all have not. Therefore do not need to be threatened by each other, but rather accepting.
It seems to me that the wealthy do not all have wrong values, and those that embrace poverty do not either, and yet both have wrong ones.
it is putting those two worlds together
and loving the rich in the same way that one loves the poor.
Plus embracing the good values that the wealthy have
and embracing the good values that those who are poverty stricken have.
I grew up where poverty sits - in Kenya and the Sudan
and I live now in the west
where it has it’s corners
but not like I knew in my foundational years
I also have lived in my adult years in the company of the wealthy
and they are sometimes as poor as the poor
and the poor have been as rich as the rich…..
does this make sense? it does to me……
I think that you should enjoy where you are at and let your values be shaped by both worlds….and that of
your little child

]]> by: GailNHB http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1548 Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:29:09 +0000 http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1548 Yes, there is disparity and struggle, not just outside of our homes and hearts but inside as well. My husband and I don't always agree on this issue of simplicity and how to raise our children in our wealthy community. But we both want to learn and change and see the world with greater compassion and figure out ways to live our lives in such a way as to share our blessings with others. One quote we like, but don't often live up to, is this: We must learn to live simply so that others can simply live. I confess to inconsistency in this area, but I am seeking out ways to simplify, to reduce consumerism in my own life, and to teach my children to do the same. Blessings to you as you raise your child and your own tender soul. Giving thanks for your wise words and challenging questions, Gail Yes, there is disparity and struggle, not just outside of our homes and hearts but inside as well. My husband and I don’t always agree on this issue of simplicity and how to raise our children in our wealthy community. But we both want to learn and change and see the world with greater compassion and figure out ways to live our lives in such a way as to share our blessings with others. One quote we like, but don’t often live up to, is this: We must learn to live simply so that others can simply live. I confess to inconsistency in this area, but I am seeking out ways to simplify, to reduce consumerism in my own life, and to teach my children to do the same. Blessings to you as you raise your child and your own tender soul. Giving thanks for your wise words and challenging questions, Gail

]]> by: Heather http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1547 Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:03:15 +0000 http://www.kristinnoelle.com/2006/11/21/monay-mo-nay/#comment-1547 Oh I know this struggle all too well. If you go back far enough in my blog, you'll see some of the posts I wrote about simplifying our lives (my husband I made some fairly drastic changes over the past few years), getting rid of some of the clutter/materialism in our lives, and grappling with the disparity I have seen first hand in my trip to Africa. It's all been good for us, but at the same time, I also struggle with the fact that most of the parents of my daughters' friends live in the kinds of houses you describe, and then I feel myself impacted by the pressure to "keep up". It's all so complicated. I have no easy answers. But I do know that the simplification in our lives has brought some measure of freedom, and that's a good thing. Oh I know this struggle all too well. If you go back far enough in my blog, you’ll see some of the posts I wrote about simplifying our lives (my husband I made some fairly drastic changes over the past few years), getting rid of some of the clutter/materialism in our lives, and grappling with the disparity I have seen first hand in my trip to Africa. It’s all been good for us, but at the same time, I also struggle with the fact that most of the parents of my daughters’ friends live in the kinds of houses you describe, and then I feel myself impacted by the pressure to “keep up”. It’s all so complicated. I have no easy answers. But I do know that the simplification in our lives has brought some measure of freedom, and that’s a good thing.

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